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Absolutely, Utterly Disgusted, Angry, and Ready to Rant

Wow.

A lesson in customer care, absolutely, totally, and without a margin of doubt NOT.  Western Digital - I have no idea if any of your employees at any level ever bother to look in these forums, though frankly, if they do, I’m not holding out any more hope of any sense of “responsibility” to the customers who pay good money, in good faith, for what amounts to complete and utter junk.

And frankly, it is junk.  It is as others say in this forum, “Unfit for purpose” - and so far that applies both to your products and to your “service” - which is both confusing, and places burdens on your customers, that no other industry could ever hope to get away with.  I find it very unlikely that I will EVER buy another WD product, and honestly, I would be hard pushed to accept one if it was free.

Why do I feel this way?

Three World Books - an earlier “World Edition White Light” and two “Lives” which at this point are less than a month old.

Tell me, then, why one of the 2Tb Live boxes has died, a week into it’s life, as did the “World Edition 2TB” - both in exactly the same manner - during an upgrade of flaky firmware.  I storngly susepct it was pure fluke that the second LIVE did not also fail.

Now, Western Digital’s philosophy, their “marketing proposition” is this:  They will sell you a “box” on which to store your data - note, YOUR data - and will, in the event their manufacturing fails to perform as it should, lock you out of that data - YOUR data.  That’s like having a mailbox on your property to which only the mail man has the key.  It **bleep**.

I have, in sheer desperation, been forced into voiding warranty simply to recover something that belongs to ME.  On a Hard Drive I paid for.  In a plastic enclosure I paid for.  Now, let me get this right.  I paid (yeah, I’m in the UK, so why in the name of sweet Jeffrey your RMA is insistent in charging me in DOLLARS, I have no idea - but also for far more than my local computer superstore charged me for the product in the first place, having done the conversion back to the currency that is actually the legal tender of my country - hint - it is NOT, NOT, NOT the US Dollar, despite the very evident fact that WD thinks everyone in the UK speaks American.  Yeah, I’m angry at you in a big way.) - for a “box” which is essentially a 3.5" internal SATA drive, with a basic NIC bolted onto it, and a bit of plastic.  Now, looking at the cost to buy a replacement WD20EARS on it’s own - £125 give or take, that makes the NIC and the plastic, together, worth precisely NOTHING, given I paid £124 for each of the LIVE boxes.  I can quite see why now too.

Stupidly - and it was stupid - I figured that the “Live” units would at least be more reliable than the World Edition White Light was.  #FAIL.  That alone was the only reason I gave Western Digital another try.  But to end up locked out of my data TWICE on two different WD products BEFORE I had the chance to figure out how the stupid back up programs you bundle even work - that is unmerchantable product.  Pure and simple.

Now, my warranty is voided because I opened the units.  WHAT?  In what universe is that either reasonable, or legal?

Seriously?  If you made cars, would you invalidate my warranty because I opened the bonnet (yes, I’m BRITISH) to attend the engine?  I so wholeheartedly wish I’d gone for the Qnap instead.  At least I could have inserted and removed drives as I saw fit.  However, Western Digital seeks to avoid it’s very evident failures, on the basis that I asserted a complete lack of recket science, and opened a plastic clam case, which effectively pulls apart ANYWAY - and which they give away, FREE - at least compared to the cost of the raw drive alone.

The thing is, I didn’t even want the cases replaced - I’m happy to keep those.  ALL I WANTED was a drive that worked longer than a week.  But wait.  Because my data was worth something to me - it’s taken me A WEEK to get all my data off a badly failed WD20EARS HDD, and another TWO MINUTES in Linux to see that not only is the drive itself falling apart, but the software implementation on these drives is also completely FLAWED.  Who the **bleep** makes a single Disk RAID array?  Why, why would you?  That’s asking for trouble 101.

So.  Upshot is, I have one 3.5" SATA drive that is as much use as a doorstop to me, and two other drives, another WD20EARS and a WD20EADS - which may as well be 4Tb of external USB enclosure drive - only I have no faith in storing my data on them at all now.  Same goes for the 1Tb WD Essentials Portable USB Drive I have. 

In return, Western Digital now have an Ex Customer who will henceforth VERY VOCALLY ensure that nobody he comes into contact with at any point in the future will EVER buy Western Digital - for a number of reasons.

  1. Utter failure of the products, complete lack of reliability.

  2. Utter failure of Customer “Support” channel - it’s non existent, even assuming you can figure out the web site.

  3. Laughable Warranty - read non existent.  Example - even if our product fails, screw your data. Not our problem.

  4. Utter lack of recognition of the country your customer is in. I AM NOT AMERICAN, COMPRENDE?

  5. Impossible Returns process, aside from the Dollar thing. Sure, I’ll pay to reutrn YOUR failure to you, in my PRINTING costs, in my Shipping costs, and through the nose while you bill me £40 MORE than I paid for the stupid thing in the first place.

Well, I’m sure five reasons are enough.  But seriously, first unit - the White Light - 3 Weeks to fail.  Second Unit a LIVE, bought only four weeks ago, failed within a week.  What are the odds on the third, LIVE unit failing soon?  Pretty High I think - and Yes, I have it all backed up ready - to a HITATCHI Deskstar.

I’m pretty sure nobody from WDE will even bother to acknowledge this, or do anything about it - and for me it will simply be a £500 loss all said - not counting the WEEKS of time I’ve spent recovering MY data from YOUR failed and flawed devices, or the work time lost, or the life expectancy of my person, now considerably reduced. I just hope you do something before your LAST customer leaves you - because frankly, I won’t be buying another **bleep** thing from you, the way things are.  Oh - feel free to contact me WD, if you feel you’ve got a case to answer at all, but mean time, I’m off to do my duty, and will be contacting as many computer and tech press people as I can to let them know of my experiences with your products - and I do know a few. I’ll lay odds you won’t even acknowledge this, much less move to repair the damage you’ve done to me, my business, and yourselves.

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Long post… :neutral_face:

At least you now know why you should never leave your data alone on any hard drive, no matter who makes it. When you have a backup the drive can die a trillion times and you don’t lose a single picture.

One of our moderators has already escalated your case.

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angry person with sense of entitlement

Message me… I have a suggestion for you to try but it was deleted due to it being related to “legal litigation.”

Sure - it was a long complaint.:neutral_face:> Likewise, agreed - the importance of data and back ups.  The back up…was on the failed WD drive - it was intended to be a mirror of the other …failed WD drive.  

Thank you -

I’d certainly be interested in their response.

Rather, a person with a sense of entitlement to what he’s paid for (implied as well as actual), angry.

I suspect you’d feel the same if it was you, however.

No, I wouldn’t.  That’s because I treat it as a BACKUP device, on which I store a COPY of my data.  It’s worth how much I paid for it, and no more.  It’s not worth my data.

Some day in the future, one of your hard disks from another company will fail also.  Are you going to swear them off as well?  You should treat hard drives as commodity devices that can fail at any moment.

ThePizzaMatrix wrote:

Long post… :neutral_face:

 

That’s because he has a long list of complaints. :confounded:

I don;t think you’ve fully understood the situation. In the past W.D. have released firmware that has bugs in it whick bricks the MyBook Live.  It is the not an electro-mechanical fault.  Human beings have caused the MyBoo Live to fail.  There is nothing actually wrong with the hardware apart from no easy provision to get to the Linux console when the device gets bricked.

I am also wondering, and this is a guess, that the firmware designers assumed that everyone will apply every update and this is why my MyBook Live has not got bricked where if some people who have bricked MyBook Lives have skipped a firmware update or two.

I also don’s use the Dashboard UI to perform the update.  I manally download the update, mnually copy it to my MyBook Live and also manually invoke the script that kicks-off the update.

beanbagt wrote:

No, I wouldn’t.  That’s because I treat it as a BACKUP device, on which I store a COPY of my data.  It’s worth how much I paid for it, and no more.  It’s not worth my data.

 

Some day in the future, one of your hard disks from another company will fail also.  Are you going to swear them off as well?  You should treat hard drives as commodity devices that can fail at any moment.

As previously stated:  The LIVE that failed was intended to BACK UP the WORLD EDITION that also failed, trapping my data.  It was precisely because I didn’t want only one copy of my data around that I purchased another unit.

The mistake on my part was to move, rather than copy the data in the first instance, as it came off several much smaller hard drives.

My point isn’t that hard drives are a commodity item which I am well aware of, but rather that quality managment should be of a sufficient level that no customer ever suffers a failure rate of 66% and certainly not within such a short time scale.

Realistically, the device was sold as a NAS, capable of storing data, and reliably so.  Given that specification, it would not be unreasonable also to expect that it had some functionality built into it to warn of imminent, or actual, hard drive failure - it does not (aside from the fact it simply ceases to work at all).

For information, the issue with the LIVE is a mechanical failure - which was masked by the NAS firmware initially installed on the unit.  That’s really part of my point - that the NAS implementation SHOULD reasonably refuse to deploy on the basis that the HDD itself is degraded.  After all, that information is available from the drive itself at any time at all.  The software WD supplied, however, chose to inform me that all was well even after leaving it running empty for 24 hours in soak test.  It was not unreasonable to expect to put data on the drive, and to be able to use the advertised back up software to re-secure the data…except, the unit insisted the firmware had to be upgraded prior to any back up taking place. That’s the point the whole thing fell over.

My gripe, then, isn’t just about the hard drive itself, but the “whole” product which has very evident shortcomings at this point. And yes, I take the point that it is built to a price point too - I don’t deny that, but, I do expect it to be of merchantable quality whatever its price point.  I would have paid more, had I known of the failings of these particular units - by which I mean the basic protection and advisory elements one would expect with any NAS device.

In any case, aside from physical failure of the HDD, all data on the device is stored in a (non-standard) partition.  It’s non-standard because most Linux variants cannot read 64k blocks - and will, despite the format being Ext4, refuse to read the partition even if you can mount the RAID.  How hard would it be for WD to supply a recovery utility on a disk, capable of reading the data volume?  Qnap, Drobo, Iomega, Seagate and others all supply such a utility for their NAS units.  It doesn’t seem much to ask, and certainly seems like a lot to offer in terms of valuing the customer.  WD should reaosnably maintain a philosophy of protecting the customer’s data - after all, their business is data storage - but with a message that seems to say “put your data on our products and watch it become irretreivable through every means we have to make sure of it.”

Let’s make it clear here - my gripes are NOT simply a case of bashing WD for the sake of it.  It’s about specific WD failures in my case, and with specific products, and my views as a result of those.  Again, yes, I relaise fully and accept that a hard drive can fail, and will in time.  That isn’t and never was my gripe.

In that case the advise I have for you is to get a LaCie Network Space 2. It might not let you into the back-end and the firmware may be simpler buy from experience of the 500Gb Network Space I got and use as a back-up, the debricking and recovery options are excellent.  A firmware upgrade had bricked it a number of times.  That’s me attempting to upgrade the firmware.  So…

Pull plug, Turn off switch (YES! IT HAS A SWITCH!), Plug in, Turn on switch and turn off within three seconds and then turn on and wait = 500Gb LaCie Network Space NAS back-up-and-working on the factory shipped firmware and not a single bit of data lost.

My WD MBL is my main drive.  The LaCie is the back-up drive.

Than again, I beleive I understand my MBL enough that the chanced are I’ll brick it is remote.

Buy a Qnap, Drobo, Iomega and/or Seagate NAS.  I agree that the design of the MyBook Live is flawed.  I would have rather paid the extra five quid to have a USB port to connect a printer or external drive to perform a back-up and also a serial console lead to use for trouble shooting and recovery .

It would be even very useful that if there was a USB port that if a USB stick with a recovery utility was there then the boot-loader would detect this, boot the NAS off a USB stick and let a recovery utility being the NAS back to life.

I think people at W.D. are quickly learning that cutting corners to make things cheaper is actually costing more.  Just in money but also reputation. I will admit I was considering a W.D. NAD that had RAID capacity but at the moment that is on hold.  I’m looking at W.D.'s competitors so right now, W.D. ain’t going to get me to purchase one of their products.

Other question is how many people are reading comments like yours, not participating in the forum but being deflected to a competitor?

Still, while the MBL works, it works pretty darn well.

I sure wish I had found this forum, let alone these threads concerning the mybook live, before i bought my MBL…   I would have spent my money elswhere…

From what I understand Western Digital is VERY AWARE of these problems and I have a feeling a few people responsible for putting together the firmware for release have got their collective backsides smacked by a hefty paddle. I’m also guessing that is why there is not yet been a firmware release because W.D. is concentrating on “getting it right”.

My own personal experience of the MyBook Live is not 100% as last time I had problems updating to the latest firmware via the Dashboard UI so I did the update but without involving the Dashboard UI. I should not have had to bypass the Dashboard UI to perform a firmware upgrade.

Overall my own MyBook Live is working quite well and unlike most other network addressed storage devices, I can get into the insides of the software and fix thing myself.  Which…  I have had to do that.

All honesty, it’s because I can get in to the back end and fix and secure things that I’m continuing to use the MyBook Live.

how you could recover your data

could you said me the precess

i have the same problem

please

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