Unable to display AVI files

I am unable to display any of my AVI files which were created by Adobe Premier Elements years ago. 

Can someone help since I thought the WD TV Media player supportted AVI which was one of the main reasons for buying it.

I don’t have a problem displaying them with Windows Media Player on 8.1 so I know the AVI files are intact.

AVI is just a container so it all depends what is inside that container.

So WD TV only displays certain types of AVI files then.  Is there a command I can issue to see what type of AVI files I have?

The WD web site indicates the WD TV Media Player can “Play virtually any file format”

download and install Mediainfo on your PC to investigate the video file (select “tree” view for detailed info)

http://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

then from the menu select “file” then “export”  select  “text”  save it,  then copy and paste the info here on the forum.

Example:

General
Unique ID                                : 228742337870141662001348064081600775941 (0xAC162BFB6F0B6656896C0F49DD070705)
Complete name                            : K:[TitleRemoved].mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 4 / Version 2
File size                                : 10.1 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 45mn
Overall bit rate                         : 13.7 Mbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2014-05-02 10:24:45
Writing application                      : mkvmerge v6.8.0 (‘Theme for Great Cities’) 64bit built on Mar  2 2014 21:34:26
Writing library                          : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.1

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
MultiView_Count                          : 2
MultiView_Layout                         : Side by Side (left eye first)
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1h 45mn
Bit rate                                 : 11.9 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.240
Stream size                              : 8.74 GiB (87%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Mode                                     : 16
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : A_DTS
Duration                                 : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.11 GiB (11%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

I tried installing media info but when I right click on the AVI file it does not list medi info as a method to open with.  I suspect media info is not supported on Windows 8.1

Well, it states it is compatible with Windows 8

http://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo/Download/Windows

try opening the mediainfo program from your start menu … then file > open > file > movie.avi

Mediainfo IS supported on Win 8.1 and if you start it initially you can enable the explorer extension or simple drag and drop the AVI onto it.

Here is the result from Media Info for one of my AVI files:

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Mark\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\INetCache\IE\GK1H7IW8\Cabaret2008I_01[2].avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Commercial name                          : DVCPRO
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 12.6 GiB
Duration                                 : 1h 0mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 29.8 Mbps

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : DV
Commercial name                          : DVCPRO
Codec ID                                 : dvsd
Codec ID/Hint                            : Sony
Duration                                 : 1h 0mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mbps
Encoded bit rate                         : 28.8 Mbps
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:1:1
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan order                               : Bottom Field First
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.357
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00;09
Time code source                         : Subcode time code
Stream size                              : 12.2 GiB (97%)
Encoding settings                        : wb mode= / white balance= / fcm=auto focus

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings, Endianness              : Little
Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 1h 0mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 024 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 32.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 444 MiB (3%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 967 ms (28.99 video frames)

There is no mention of the codec in the manual so we have to assume that the WDTV doesnt support the DV codecs, they have all been superceded now and are nearly 20 years old. Your files are of such high bitrate they could easily be encoded using something like h264 without the quality of playback suffering.

I am wondering if I bought a more recent Adobe Premier Elements (which is what created these originally) if it would be able to read my AVIs and then convert them to something WD TV Media Player could play.

I am leary of 3rd party freeware conversion s/w, but I heard handbrake might be an option to convert these files, but it looks like handbrake is no longer supported and I don’t see Win 8 as a supported OS.

you could always check the output codecs for the version you have to see if they are supported by the WDTV. Mpeg2 would be the obvious choice, the files would be 2x the size of an h264 file but at least you would be able to play them.

newer versions of premiere may give you avc/mpeg4 video codecs but I did jump ship from Adobe to Sony Vegas for home movies as it was less problematic to create files compatible with computer playback and for producing bluray discs.

there are many who use handbrake, personally I use MeGui but that has a steep learning curve. I couldnt say if either works on Windows 8, I used the both on 7.

I suppose if I am going to start converting AVI files I might as well convert them to something that my PS3 can play.  I probably dont need the WD TV Media player at this point since the reason I bought it was the WD TV Media player was it was indicated that it could play virtually any file format.

wdmarks wrote:
but it looks like handbrake is no longer supported and I don’t see Win 8 as a supported OS.

So what’s your take on “Windows XP or later” -> Windows 8.x?

wdmarks wrote:

since the reason I bought it was the WD TV Media player was it was indicated that it could play virtually any file format.

Which it does. It does not, however, play each of the obscure formats manufacturers sometimes like to cook up or all of the profiles clueless users use when uploading files to the Internet.

I pressed accept as solution by mistake.  Is there a way to press unaccept in the forum?

Anyway, if handbrake says it supportted somewhere under 8.1 that ok for someone else but not me since it’s third party software.

I dont agree that the WD TV media player supports Virtually any file format. If my files dont play then it does not support virtually any file format.   Also, in another topic I posted MOV files from an iphone 5 play upside down on the WD tv media player since the player does not recognize the orientation tag.  If it cant at least be fixed to support these then I dont see keeping the player, but if they come back and say they will work on it soon I might keep it.

The AVI files were old but they were created by Adobe Premiere Elements 3.0 and 5.0 but who’s to say that is obscure.

wdmarks wrote:

I dont agree that the WD TV media player supports Virtually any file format. If my files dont play then it does not support virtually any file format.

OMG!  Uhm, do you not know what “virtually” means?

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wdmarks wrote:

The AVI files were old but they were created by Adobe Premiere Elements 3.0 and 5.0 but who’s to say that is obscure. 

DV is not obscure by any definition of the word – but DV was never intended to be a playback codec.   DV is an “acquisition” codec meant for recording, storage, and editing.

ok, granted the word virtually does not mean 100% all, but when I called WD the L1 guy thought the same things as me that all file formats should work. But then the L2 guy told me there is a limited number of file format supported.  it’s not even “virtually all” in my opinion if MOV files cant play right.

So if I convert the AVIs what would be the most precise data to convert to.  MPEG2 or MPEG4?  I am not that familiar with file formats.    space is not an issue for me.

p.s.what version of Sony Vegas would you recommend.  Looks like the most current version is 13, but would you recommend the basic Movie version or the Platinum one?

wdmarks wrote:
Anyway, if handbrake says it supportted somewhere under 8.1 that ok for someone else but not me since it’s third party software and it’s unsupported by the author as well I read.

What the **bleep** are you talking about? First you don’t get how to use Mediainfo albeit it’s even telling you how to do it straight after installation and now you claim 8.1 is unsupported by the author of Handbrake despite it being shown as supported on the official page?

After installing media info, the Media info did not appear as an option when right clicking on the AVI file.  I had to run Media info again and then there was an option to enable select to have Media info appear as a program to invoke when you right click. 

Like I said even if it is supported, I don’t want to use freeware to convert my videos.

I corrected my prior post removing the part that handbrake was unsupportted since you corrected me saying it *is* still supported. 

wdmarks wrote:

After installing media info, the Media info did not appear as an option when right clicking on the AVI file.

Noone said it would. You can set this yourself on your first start of the program though.

I decided to give handbrake a shot to try to convert my AVI files to some other supported codec, but when

I try to list files in the folder it says ‘no items match your search’

Is there something I am doing wrong?

From handbrake 9.9.5530 64 bit version I clicked on Source->open Folder->Videos->myfoldername