VC-1 in mkv container problem

Hi!

I have some problems to play VC-1 in mkv contaner… it start to play but don’t  have a smooth playback…What can I do?

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I have the same problem that seemed to start within the last few WDTV Live firmware updates. I don’t know when exactly, but this has not always happened. The video plays and the audio is fine, but the video playback seems like the frame rate is too low. It’s jerky, stuttery, but continuous. It does not freeze or pause. I typically use makemkv to back-up, but I also extracted from an MKV and remuxed it with MKVtoolnix. Same problems.

The common thread is VC-1 encoding. Also, all video is on a WD Elements external drive attached directly to the player.

Here are some MediaInfos:

The Departed

Format                           : Matroska

File size                        : 20.6 GiB

Duration                         : 2h 31mn

Overall bit rate                 : 19.5 Mbps

Encoded date                     : UTC 2010-09-12 22:38:10

Writing application              : MakeMKV v1.5.8 darwin(x86-release)

Writing library                  : libmakemkv v1.5.8 (0.7.7/0.8.1) darwin(x86-release)

Video

ID                               : 1

Format                           : VC-1

Format profile                   : AP@L3

Codec ID                         : WVC1

Codec ID/Hint                    : Microsoft

Duration                         : 2h 31mn

Bit rate                         : 14.5 Mbps

Width                            : 1 920 pixels

Height                           : 1 080 pixels

Display aspect ratio             : 16:9

Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps

Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0

Bit depth                        : 8 bits

Scan type                        : Progressive

Compression mode                 : Lossy

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.291

Stream size                      : 15.3 GiB (74%)

Language                         : English

Audio

ID                               : 2

Format                           : PCM

Codec ID                         : 00001000-0000-0100-8000-00AA00389B71

Codec ID/Hint                    : Microsoft

Duration                         : 2h 31mn

Bit rate mode                    : Constant

Bit rate                         : 4 608 Kbps

Channel(s)                       : 6 channels

Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE

Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz

Bit depth                        : 16 bits

Stream size                      : 4.87 GiB (24%)

Title                            : 3/2+1

Language                         : English

Time Traveler’s Wife

Format                           : Matroska

File size                        : 15.4 GiB

Duration                         : 1h 47mn

Overall bit rate                 : 20.6 Mbps

Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-04-16 15:52:30

Writing application              : mkvmerge v4.6.0 (‘Still Crazy After All These Years’) built on Mar 23 2011 16:58:35

Writing library                  : libebml v1.2.0 + libmatroska v1.1.0

Video

ID                               : 1

Format                           : VC-1

Format profile                   : AP@L3

Codec ID                         : WVC1

Codec ID/Hint                    : Microsoft

Duration                         : 1h 47mn

Bit rate                         : 18.3 Mbps

Width                            : 1 920 pixels

Height                           : 1 080 pixels

Display aspect ratio             : 16:9

Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps

Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0

Bit depth                        : 8 bits

Scan type                        : Progressive

Compression mode                 : Lossy

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.369

Stream size                      : 13.7 GiB (89%)

Title                            : Video

Audio

ID                               : 2

Format                           : DTS

Format/Info                      : Digital Theater Systems

Format profile                   : MA / Core

Muxing mode                      : Header stripping

Codec ID                         : A_DTS

Duration                         : 1h 47mn

Bit rate mode                    : Variable

Bit rate                         : 1 843 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps

Channel(s)                       : 6 channels

Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE

Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz

Bit depth                        : 24 bits

Compression mode                 : Lossless / Lossy

Title                            : DTS

Get Smart:

Format                           : Matroska

File size                        : 13.3 GiB

Duration                         : 1h 49mn

Overall bit rate                 : 17.3 Mbps

Encoded date                     : UTC 2011-03-17 13:55:36

Writing application              : MakeMKV v1.6.5 darwin(x86-release)

Writing library                  : libmakemkv v1.6.5 (0.7.7/0.8.1) darwin(x86-release)

Video

ID                               : 1

Format                           : VC-1

Format profile                   : AP@L3

Codec ID                         : WVC1

Codec ID/Hint                    : Microsoft

Duration                         : 1h 49mn

Bit rate                         : 16.4 Mbps

Width                            : 1 920 pixels

Height                           : 1 080 pixels

Display aspect ratio             : 16:9

Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps

Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0

Bit depth                        : 8 bits

Scan type                        : Progressive

Compression mode                 : Lossy

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.329

Stream size                      : 12.6 GiB (94%)

Language                         : English

Audio

ID                               : 2

Format                           : AC-3

Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3

Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)

Codec ID                         : A_AC3

Duration                         : 1h 49mn

Bit rate mode                    : Constant

Bit rate                         : 640 Kbps

Channel(s)                       : 6 channels

Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE

Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz

Bit depth                        : 16 bits

Compression mode                 : Lossy

Stream size                      : 503 MiB (4%)

Title                            : 3/2+1

Language                         : English

I can confirm this problem .  I thought the problem was my WD Sharespace firmware, but now I’m not so sure after reading this.

All my VC-1 / AC3 mkvs do the same as described.  My higher bitrate x264 encodes don’t.  I don’t really want to recode my VC-1 files to x264.

See this post:

http://community.wdc.com/t5/General-Discussions/Video-issues-with-MKV-files-with-VC-1-Video-encoding/m-p/173978/highlight/true#M9110

It solved my problem, but I still consider it a bug if the WDTV Live can “downgrade” 1080p to 720p in video properly but not for VC-1. My player was set to 720p 60Hz, the auto HDMI setting was also a failure. It worked fine for  a setting of 1080p at 60Hz because my 720p projector can downgrade a 1080p signal properly.

I have ever suffered the same problems too.  I don’t think WD TV Live (mine Live Plus) handle VC-1 encoded movies well.  So I ripped VC-1 movies to H.264 - the device can always plays H.264 well.

Here I list 3 solution for you:

  1. As you did, use MakeMkv to convert VC-1 BD to MKV.   Load the BDMV to Handbrake and convert these VC-1 encoded .m2ts files to H.264 MKV.  You’ll lose DTS audio - it is converted to AC3 or AAC. And the subtitles too, as Handbrake does not support pgs subtitle. To get subtitles back, you can use tsMuxer to extract subtitle from your source MKV and convert it to srt, then add it to Handbrake.

  2. Convert VC-1 MKV to H.264 MKV with some video converter software- there are lots of them, yet few do convert MKV with subtitles. So you’ll lose subtitles again. I have yet found a video converter that pass-through DTS. Anyway, you can use tsMuxer again to add the original DTS to converted MKV.

3.  Rip your VC-1 Blu-ray with some other app that can convert VC-1 to H.264. I prefer Pavtube ByteCopy - as it trascode VC-1 to H.264 without changing the original audio. And it also convert subtitles to vobsub, which plays just fine on WD TV Live. 

I’ve seen a lot of people talking about handbrake on these boards.  I’ve tried that and several other out, and I have to say that RipBot264 is my favorite.

It’s homepage is a thread in a forum that the author updates frequently.

RipBot264