Wd tv live 3gen pal: 2 FIles audio issues and 1 file can't play

WD Legacy Products WD TV Live Streaming
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I’ve a  WD TV Live Streaming Media Player 3°gen,  i appreciate very much this item but i’ve some issues with three files.

My specs :  

WD TV Live Streaming Media Player 3°gen pal

Latest firmware 1.12.14

Autoframerate option enabled (Autores enabled)

Here are the log created by mediainfo of  two files that have 23.976043 fps and these files goes out of audio sincronization…

General
Complete name : C:\Users

\Giuseppe\downloads\prova.flv
Format : Flash 

Video
File size : 133 MiB
Duration : 53mn 55s
Overall bit rate : 346 Kbps
Tagged date : UTC 2012

-12-03 22:36:19
Tagging application : inlet 

media FLVTool2 v1.0.6 - 

media.de/flvtool2

Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced 

Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 7
Duration : 53mn 55s
Bit rate : 257 Kbps
Width : 640 

pixels
Height : 356 

pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.000 

fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : 

Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.049
Stream size : 99.9 MiB 

(75%)
Writing library : x264 core 

115
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / 

ref=3 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex 

/ subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / 

me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / 

cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / 

chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 

/ nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 

/ constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / 

b_adapt=0 / b_bias=0 / direct=2 / weightb=1 / 

open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=320 / keyint_min=25 

/ scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / 

rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=28.0 / qcomp=0.70 / qpmin=10 

/ qpmax=51 / qpstep=3 / ip_ratio=1.41 / aq=1:1.00

Audio
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced 

Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 10
Duration : 53mn 55s
Bit rate : 80.7 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 

channels
Channel positions : Front: L 

R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 42ms
Stream size : 32.6 MiB 

(24%)

General
Complete name : C:\Users

\Giuseppe\downloads\Park Avenue\prova2.flv
Format : Flash 

Video
File size : 131 MiB
Duration : 42mn 44s
Overall bit rate : 427 Kbps
Tagged date : UTC 2012

-10-01 21:02:55
Tagging application : inlet 

media FLVTool2 v1.0.6 - 

media.de/flvtool2

Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced 

Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : 7
Duration : 42mn 44s
Bit rate : 338 Kbps
Width : 720 

pixels
Height : 404 

pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.000 

fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : 

Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.051
Stream size : 104 MiB 

(80%)
Writing library : x264 core 

118
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / 

ref=3 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex 

/ subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / 

me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / 

cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / 

chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=24 / sliced_threads=0 

/ nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 

/ constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / 

b_adapt=0 / b_bias=0 / direct=2 / weightb=1 / 

open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=320 / keyint_min=25 

/ scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / 

rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=28.0 / qcomp=0.70 / qpmin=10 

/ qpmax=51 / qpstep=3 / ip_ratio=1.41 / aq=1:1.00

Audio
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced 

Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 10
Duration : 42mn 43s
Bit rate : 80.6 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 

channels
Channel positions : Front: L 

R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 42ms
Stream size : 25.8 MiB 

(20%)

This file can’t played by  WD TV Live Streaming Media Player 3°gen pal, this file is in wmv 2 called also 

Windows Media Video 8 WMV2 DMO-based codec, and is the 8° version of the codec. Your player is compatible with 9° version of wmv, why isn't compatible with a previous version of this codec?
General
Complete name : C:\Users

\Enrico\Documents\WebCam Media\Capture\Video3.wmv
Format : Windows 

Media
File size : 3.22 MiB
Duration : 6s 492ms
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 4 167 

Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 4 257 

Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2012

-11-29 18:55:59.770

Video
ID : 2
Format : WMV2
Codec ID : WMV2
Codec ID/Info : Windows 

Media Video 8
Description of the codec : Windows 

Media Video V8
Duration : 6s 467ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 4 096 

Kbps
Width : 1 920 

pixels
Height : 1 080 

pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 15.000 

fps
Bit depth : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.132
Stream size : 3.16 MiB 

(98%)
Language : English 

(US)

Audio
ID : 1
Format : WMA
Format version : Version 2
Codec ID : 161
Codec ID/Info : Windows 

Media Audio
Description of the codec : Windows 

Media Audio 9.2 - 128 kbps, 44 kHz, stereo 1-pass 

CBR
Duration : 6s 491ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 

channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 101 KiB 

(3%)
Language : English 

(US)

 Thanks for your attention.

p.s.

I’m quite interested about audio desincronization in the first two files.

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First, your post is in the wrong forum. This forum is for the 2009 model WDTV Live HD and 2010 model WDTV Live Plus.

The forum for the 2011 WDTV Live Streaming Media Player is here:

http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-TV-Live-Streaming-Media/ct-p/wdtvlive_streaming

2nd, the info on both of the FLV files says the frame rate is 23.000 fps, not “23.976043”.

I doubt the WD was designed to anticipate such weird frame rates.  99.99% of video (just a guess) is encoded at 23.976, 24.000, 25.000, 29.976 fps, or 30.000fps.   23.000 fps is just — weird.

As to WMV2:

 why isn’t compatible with a previous version of this codec?

It just isn’t.  The player can’t possibly be compatible with ALL codecs… Sigma (the chipset mft) had to draw the line somewhere…

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Tnx for the reply and sorry for the wrong area, the moderator has moved the post tnx

1)The mediainfo log is wrong, the file were encoded in 23.976043 fps, as video lan client tell. (Also gspot tell the file are in 24.002 fps and ALSO gspot is in wrong)

2)I know all of the guidelines of the Sigma Design SMP8670AD-CBE3 700MHZ, i know also that is a problem of royalties and nothing isn’t impossible with an embedded soc if you want (manufacturer or not) you can do it if you develop your firmware and pay the royalties…

3)Stand up from your throne, you are only an user like me be kind and don’t be so conceited, we are all adult and not kid.

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  1.  I suppose, then, that your question should be directed at Sigma, right?   They’re the ones that decided what to include and what not to include in the hardware.  (And yes, it is hardware, not firmware, that does the decoding.)

  2.  I have no clue what you’re referring to.  I was not unkind, nor was I displaying any form of conceit.  I only answered your questions.

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Ok.

I tryied to enable and disable the autores function, but the file at 23.976 etc still are not synchronized.

I’ll try other file with other codec and same fps, and i post the results, but i need other answers, and not the “same” answer " the file are **bleep** or so other reply"… the file are not **bleep**… 

The file aren’t in 10 bit color depth, and as i know these file supports the stardard, i hope in some useful answers.

Thanks

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This a user to user forum and you get what you are given. If it does not offend you how do you know that the frame rate is wrongly detected by media info and gspot.

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I’ll give to the community like i gived in a important italian forum, don’t worry i’ll do.

Many thanks for your reply, no problem about your question.

Vlc  , freemakevideo converter,gomplayer tell the fps are  23.976 and in order to fix this error i contacted the creator of mediainfo.

The file are encoded in 23.976 etc fps, but gspot is an old unsopported software, mediainfo still growing…

So can someone tell me if the file are in 23.976 fps, why are not synchonized?  

Can it be a fault of the television a Philips 40PFL5007H/12? I try in another television in order to get another feedback.

It’s not be fault of bit color depht 8 bit nor of bit rate (very low bitrate), so what is wrong, if there is something wrong?

Thanks to all 

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I tried on a sony Bravia kdl 32 p5600 and on a Samsung UE40ES6300, same issue.

I looked in the changelog, because i remember that audio synch problem was fixed in Version 1.10.13  and other version for other codec or container.