No Network Drives on implemented Twonky-Server and on iPAD-Apps in WD-TV Live Hub

I have the newest WD TV Live Hub Firmware, downloaded 3 days ago, on the screen of the WD-TV live hub i find the network-drives from my PC and can play the music / films.

But the implemented Twonky-Server, started with any PC under the ip of the wdtvlive hub only shows me the local drive and the usb-drives of the wdtvlivehub.

I tried to add the network-drives in “Basic Setup” under “Sharing” - Content Location with

\PC-Name\Drivename\

//PC-Name/Drivename/Folder

//IP-Adress/Drivename/Folder

\IP-Adress\Drivename\Folder

but nothing helps. I’m shure the Drives and folders are shared and the security is set to everyone’s full access in Windows Vista. I have full access directly on the WDTV Live Hub, but that needs me to open my TV to here music. I wanted to stream my music without having to open my TV. But neither the iPAD-Apps (iMediaControl, PlugNPlay, PlugPlayer, WDTVRemote, MLPlayer, SongBook) nor the TwonkyServer on WDTV live Hub find the Network-Drives on the Server WDTVLIVEHUB.

I also installed the newest Twonky-Server on my Vista-PC. This Server finds the shared Folders, but streaming with the help of the iPAD-/iPhone-Apps from my PC to the WDTV (then used as a simple renderer) makes some problems because of interruption after one song when trying to play playlists with some apps or not beeing able to play FLAC-Files with some other apps.

So does anybody have a resolution for me?

Is sharing of network-folders with the implemented twonky possible?

If not, does anybody know another app for iPad/iPhone that works properly with wdtv live hub and a streaming PC with Twonky-Media installed

Thanks in advance and sorry for my bad english

mawag

No, you’re correct…  

You can’t use Hub’s Twonky to serve files that aren’t local.  

That’s crazy! Why isn’t that possible. Is there a workaround? I don’t want to open my TV and sit in front of it to hear my music. That’S the sence of upnp. Isn’t it?

Why isn’t it possible?   I imagine it IS possible.   But it’s NOT how it works.

Workaround?   Sure.  Put the files you want to share on the hub’s internal drive or USB drives.   That’s what they’re there for.

Yes of course that’s the simple solution, but not the solution I’m looking for. Because I would like to have my files at my PC for quickly changing the content and because of the noise from extra drives in my livingroom and because of the bad WAV (wife acceptance-factor) of many drives with cables in the livingroom. :slight_smile:

You could install PlayOn or TwonkyServer or TVersity, etc…  on your PC.

The version of Twonky on the hub does not support what you want to do. In fact even with the PC versions it can be difficult or impossible for Twonky to index and share files on network shares.

You could try running a recent version of Twonky (i.e. 6.x) on your PC and use the media server aggregation feature. This allows a Twonky media server to aggregate the content from other Twonky servers into a single unified view. Some people seem to have got it working, but for me it never worked.

Check over on the Twonky forums- http://www.twonkyforum.com/

Yes, I already have Twonky Server / Twonky Media installed on my PC. But up to now, i’ve not yet found an iPad / iPhone - App that meets my needs and works fine.

My needs:

  1. Play complete playlists, Edit playlists

  2. Play on playlists even when the app is in Background or the screen of the iPAD /iPhone gets black because of missing actions

  3. Don’t stop after the first song of a playlist

  4. Play FLAC

  5. Don’t play folders only in alphabeitcal order (that makes no sence with classic music)

So i hoped, one of my m,any tried apps would work, if the server is on the WDTV and not external on my PC. But this trial makes no sense when i can’t play external files on the implemented twonky.

mawag

You’re mixing the requirements of two totally different things.

Even if Twonky did map your network drives, it’s not going to satisfy the five requirement you just specified…   That’s a PLAYER function, not a SERVER function.

Yes, I know, but no player solves the problem when the server is on the pc. Many players are not able to play a complete playlist on WTTVLIVEHUB but on other devices. So I think they don’t do it because of problems with the feedback of the WDTVLIVEHUB to the Server that the end of a song is reached and the next song should begin to play. (A problem of the standard upnp-features, for example solved with extended upnp-features with sonos or cambridge audio).

So I hoped, that the players can play there playlists properly when Server and Renderer ist on the same machine: The WDTVLIVEHUB.

That’S why i mix two different themes. They belong together for me in trying to solve the problem.

mawag

I think what you are wanting is a DLNA Digital Media Renderer (DMR in DLNA speak, see the definitions here- http://www.dlna.org/digital_living/devices/). The Hub is not certified as a DMR, only as a Digital Media Player (DMP), a DMP has subtle but important differences to a DMR. E.g. it does not have to implement all of the features of a DMR. The hub implements some features of a DMR but because it is not certified as one there are certain features missing.

The hub also just happens to include Twonky server which is a Digital Media Server (DMS) but the Hub is not certified as such. There is no special communication between the DMP and DMS functionality on the Hub.

If you want a better solution to your current needs then use the DLNA product search page http://www.dlna.org/products/ to find a combination that fits your needs.

But be warned, just because devices have a DLNA certification doesn’t mean they will work ideally with each other.

Thank’s for your answer. Si I just tried some of my apps at a friend who has an asset-server, a wd-tv-live (not hub) and a sonos system. I made the following experience:

Some apps, which make problems with flac-files playing on my wdtvlive hub play flac without any problems on wd tv live.

For example MLPlayer or Songbook. It’s really crazy. I thought, all players, who have upnp-standard have also DLNA-Standard and play good.

And I can’t understand, why some apps play flac on the cheaper wd tv live and don’t on wd tv live hub.

I still hope for updates of Firmware and apps to solve my problems. I up to now have paid 169 € for my WDLiveTVHub, about 30 € for several apps and about 14 € for my twonky-Server :-((

Hello,

i now looked at the dlna-Site and the WD-TV-live-Hub is “Digital Media Player (DMP)”-Compliant as you wrote.

But why doesn’t then work streaming of FLAC with thee following Combination:

Server on my PC: Twonky 6.xx (newest Version)

Controller: SongBook upnp on my iPad

Renderer: WD-TV Live Hub with the actual firmware

It DOES play FLAC with WD TV Live Mediaplayer (not hub) in the same surroundings. So it must be a problem of the Hub-Firmware???

Does anybody have a solution for this??

mawag wrote:

Hello,

 

i now looked at the dlna-Site and the WD-TV-live-Hub is “Digital Media Player (DMP)”-Compliant as you wrote.

But why doesn’t then work streaming of FLAC with thee following Combination:

 

Server on my PC: Twonky 6.xx (newest Version)

Controller: SongBook upnp on my iPad

Renderer: WD-TV Live Hub with the actual firmware

 

It DOES play FLAC with WD TV Live Mediaplayer (not hub) in the same surroundings. So it must be a problem of the Hub-Firmware???

 

Does anybody have a solution for this??

I guess you did not read the DLNA site too closely.

Go here- http://www.dlna.org/products/

Then in the Manufacturer list box scroll down and check Western Digital. Press ‘Update Search’ and you will get a list of WD DLNA certified devices on the right.

Now go back to the Features list on the left and check “Play To” Receiver and press ‘Update Search’ again. You will see the Hub is not in the list. Therefore it is not certified as a Digital Media Renderer (DMR) which can be controlled by a Digital Media Controller (DMC). It is only certified as a Digital Media Player (DMP) which does NOT have to respond to a DMC command or pushing specific file types.

Who knows where the problem lies, it could be the Hub media player because it is not a certified DMR. It could be Twonky, which has some history of problems with FLAC files.

So what are your options-

  1. Use your TV and the remote as was intended.

  2. Re-encode your files so that they can be pushed to the Hub in a supported format (e.g. MP3 would be my suggestion).

  3. Return the Hub and get another media player that suites your requirements.

Thank you for your specific answer. I’m really surprised about this situation. I buy a WD TV live hub after finding many apps that seem to be able to control the wd tv live hub. And then i must look for hours through communities to find a solution - but no result that can satisfy me. It seems, as a hifi-enthusiast, i have to become an IT-Specialist to know all about different DLNA - subspecifications. It seems to be crazy. I, before I bought the WD TV LIve Hub only saw, that it is upnp-compliant, i thought, this standard allows - as the name says - UNIVERSAL plug and play. But i get more and more frustrated.

Yes there are other working devices to buy, like Cambridge Audio or Sonos. They work good with DLNA but they don’T support Pictures and Video and no other device works with so many different kinds of formats.

But - sorry, I don’t understand, why it is so difficult to write a software / firmware, meeting a working standard.

Why does one controller-app be able to play flac on the hub, another has works fine, when playing playlists, a third one is able to scroll through a playing song and so on. I mean: This shows me, that the hub can all these things. But why is there no app, that works fine with wd tv hub??

With all other funktions of the hub, I’m very glad.

So again thank you for your explanation. A really frustrated hifi- enthusiast

mawag

P.S.: I’ve forgotten to tell you as a native german speaker that up to now I didn’T really know the difference between a player and a renderer.

 

P.S.: I’ve forgotten to tell you as a native german speaker that up to now I didn’T really know the difference between a player and a renderer.

Ah well, sorry if I seemed a bit to brusk. My German speaking skills are not as good as your English. However, here might be a starting point in German for DLNA- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA

From my limited German understanding it seems to cover the basics. However, unfortunately most of the links are to English documents.

Ok, now I understand: Renderer play controlled by controllers, player only from servers, but not over controllers. So I don’t know, why the much bigger and as I thought better WD TV live Hub is only a Player and the WD TV Live is a Renderer. Here, WD should upgrade the functionality by Firmwareupgrade from a DLP to a DLR. It’S not logical that the cheaper one is a DLR and the better one, which also is a DLS only is a DLP. Alone because of the functionality as a DLS it would make sence, if it would be a DLR. And today I tried to stream from the implemented Twonky to the Hub, controlled by an iPAD-Controller and I had the same problems as I had when streaming from my PC.

Thank you very much, now I understand much more about this technic, but I don’t understand Western Digital :slight_smile:

mawag